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You can lead by love or by fear. Fear can work—but it always blows up.

Fantastic interview with longtime New Yorker editor David Remnick on the Longform podcast, one of these 9 intelligent podcasts for a fuller life.

Complement with David Foster Wallace’s timelessly fantastic definition of leadership.

Elizabeth Gilbert interviews Longform thought and opinion culture and society media and communication

It’s great to have success, and it’s a squandering of life-force to not enjoy those moments when they come… There’s a terrible habit people have to distrust those moments and to distrust the pleasure and the excitement around them, as though that’s a fraudulent moment… The suspicion of joy [is] a great pity. There are so few times in your life when you can just pump your fist in the air… and when that happens, you should take pleasure from it.

Terrific interview with Elizabeth Gilbert on the Longform podcast, one of these 9 podcasts for a fuller life.

Also see Gilbert on the courage to live in a state of uninterrupted marvel.

Tavi Gevinson interviews longform thought and opinion media and communication podcasts

“I really don’t think there’s a point in your life when you stop growing.”

Absolutely fantastic conversation with Tavi Gevinson on The Longform Podcast, one of these nine favorite podcasts for a fuller life.

Couple with Maya Angelou on (not) growing up.